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Re: Advice from and industry hiring manager: PhDs, please don't apply for BS/MS level posi

PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2018 4:54 pm
by RSC
Thanks all for the discussion. Dave's comment is particularly relevant:
Dave Jensen wrote: I guess that applying a stringent "no PhD" rule could be considered stereotyping. There must be someone out there who would be happy in such a job with a PhD and who wouldn't leave the moment they saw a PhD position open that they fit.


For better or for worse, many stereotypes exist for a reason - and perhaps hiring policies are designed to reflect this. In this particular case, we have received approval to hire for X position, with Y salary and Z advancement opportunities associated with a position at that level within our organization. As the hiring manager here, I do not really have flexibility with this.

It's not that I wouldn't like to add a brilliant PhD level scientist to our program, but that X position does not require such extensive training, nor would Y salary be appropriate for an such an individual. Sure, as Dave said there may be someone out there with a PhD, multiple postdocs and several high impact publications who would be happy to remain at the bench doing research for someone else, but it would first take an incredible amount of explanation to convince me they really wanted to do so long term.

Re: Advice from and industry hiring manager: PhDs, please don't apply for BS/MS level posi

PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2018 5:34 pm
by Abby
We have been hiring for BS/MS level research associates recently. We have gotten a few PhD candidates that I've forwarded on for consideration as postdocs. One candidate, however, did not list their PhD but a minute on google found out they had one. Definitely left a bad taste in my mouth about their level of honesty too!

Re: Advice from and industry hiring manager: PhDs, please don't apply for BS/MS level posi

PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2018 8:36 pm
by Dave Jensen
Abby wrote:We have been hiring for BS/MS level research associates recently. We have gotten a few PhD candidates that I've forwarded on for consideration as postdocs. One candidate, however, did not list their PhD but a minute on google found out they had one. Definitely left a bad taste in my mouth about their level of honesty too!


This one has come up before on the Forum and it was quite some time ago, so I'm happy to see it circulate back to the top. Yes, I agree with you Abby. For sure -- leaves the stigma of dishonesty when you think about them later.

But oddly enough, the last time we discussed this (sorry, can't find the thread) there was great arguing from both the "ok to delete PhD on CV" and those like you and I, where we feel that it's mischievous at best and often seen as just plain lying. I don't remember having reached any accord. It was one of those one side vs. the other situations.

Dave