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Rich Lemert wrote:Your challenge presents a false dichotomy; it assumes that technical competence is the only requirement that is/should be considered when making a hiring decision. I would certainly be willing to consider hiring someone with greater skills because it would help make me more successful, but not if that person is someone who is going to make me feel ill every time I see him.
I agree that common courtesy suggests providing a response - at least to someone you've actually talked to. There are many reasons why a manager might not do so, however, whether or not you think any of them are "legitimate". Complaining about it is not going to change anything, however, and I feel my time is more wisely spent moving on to other, more fruitful activities.
I would suggest, however, that one reason I (at least) would be less inclined to respond to someone is if they demonstrate a tendency to hold on to an issue beyond reason. Regardless of how many ways you try to rephrase the issue, I sincerely doubt that anyone here is going to tell you "yes, you're absolutely right - that person is a total jerk" - and even if someone did say that, what have you gained?
Frankly, I don't want to hired based solely on personality. I wanted to be hired because my boss respects my talent and expertise first and knows we have a mutual trust for each other. Personality is second in my opinion to this. When someone hires one based entirely on their personality, they are only one argument away from being fired.
Nate W. wrote:It is also a false dichotomy to assume most hiring decisions are all about personality. I have colleagues that have great personalities but they would make lousy scientists.
PACN wrote:It seems to me that you are ignoring a more likely possibility. You appear to be comparing yourself to the director and saying you have more experience, are better qualified, etc., but you are asking about applying for a job under her. Yes, I would be concerned about hiring someone to work for me under those conditions, but not out of jealousy or concern for my own job or those of my friends. My major concern would be that you are already preparing to jump ship. You don't seem to actually want the job under this director-- you want the higher level job. She may be aware of this through her conversations with the VP. Why would she want to hire you, knowing that as soon as another position opens up, you'll leave her group and she'll have to hire again? From her point of view, it makes more sense to have you go straight for the job you want and for her to hire someone who will be a good fit for and happy in the role she has to offer. It's not necessarily who is the best qualified to perform the role on day 1.
PACN wrote:Of course jealousy happens in the work place. Some people are more successful than others. Some get promoted and others don't. I don't think anyone is suggesting you should be networking with people that you are competing for the job opening with. You should be networking with the people who already have the job you want. Your property manager should be networking with other property managers, not leasing agents. That's more like peer -2.
Replies are always polite. They don't always happen, and sometimes we have to let it go.
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